Academics in Winton Woods School District

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Now that the new Report Card is in, it is clear that the system really has a lot of work cut out for it.

There have been some major changes in the system, but we will not see the results until this time next year. Hopefully by that time there will be some improvement.

It will take time and hard work and consistent effort by first the Board of Education, then the Administration and also the Teaching Staff to keep things on tract.

Early notification of parents by teachers of academic problems with their children is absolutely necessary. I know at least one teacher who calls or emails parents of students of problems early. That teacher thus far has received a positive response from every parent so far this year. The students do get the message when parents are involved.

Parents do care and will get involved if lines of communication are kept open.

Cicero

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Parents do care and will get involved if lines of communication are kept open.

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cool.gif I wish this were the case, Cicero, but it is not representative of a statistically significant percentage of the district. Ask any teacher at WWMS or WWHS what percentage of their classroom parents attend Meet The Teacher/Open House events...especially in the non-AP/Honors or music classes. I have had more than a few "one-on-ones" with teachers at those events. The not-so-funny joke at WWHS among staff was that the best way to boost attendance at these events would be to give the students after-school detention where the parent would always find their way to the building to scream at the teacher for disciplining their "baby".

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Someone was telling me that Winton Woods had purchased a new school bus this year. At the end of a week it was full of graffiti and generally trashed.

How long do you think these new school buildings will last? huh.gifhuh.gif

And, an observation I have made about discipline: it is much easier to maintain discipline if you have never let it go. It is much harder to regain it.

Get control of the kids and then the other things will fall into place.

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Someone was telling me that Winton Woods had purchased a new school bus this year. At the end of a week it was full of graffiti and generally trashed.

How long do you think these new school buildings will last? huh.gifhuh.gif

And, an observation I have made about discipline: it is much easier to maintain discipline if you have never let it go. It is much harder to regain it.

Get control of the kids and then the other things will fall into place.

Not to mention the liberal use of phones as musical devices throughout the school day. Is this true?! My daughter is not allowed to take hers out at all except during lunch. WTH?!

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Not to mention the liberal use of phones as musical devices throughout the school day. Is this true?! My daughter is not allowed to take hers out at all except during lunch. WTH?!

I keep hearing this (only here on good ole Junedale!) but I have not found an actual Winton Woods student or parent to back this up.

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I keep hearing it from very credible sources. That aside, what do you think of the buses being graffitied up?

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Someone was telling me that Winton Woods had purchased a new school bus this year. At the end of a week it was full of graffiti and generally trashed.

How long do you think these new school buildings will last? huh.gifhuh.gif

8 years, 14 minutes, and 27 seconds.

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I keep hearing it from very credible sources. That aside, what do you think of the buses being graffitied up?

I spoke with my daughter (WW 8th grader) this weekend and she assures me if someone does get their phone out they get it taken away. She only has access to her phone at lunch. On occasion they are allowed to listen to music with earbuds while they work on the computer - usually as a reward for something.

Honestly I hear so many rumors on this site when it comes to WW schools, that I would want to find out about this from the source first. I'm not saying its not true, but I would wonder exactly how "full of graffiti" it actually was. Like people spray painted the entire bus, or like 1 student got out their pen and scribbled on the seat back. I remember that sort of thing happening back in my day. I have been on WW busses on numerous occasions (field trips) and not noticed any graffiti? Anyway, perspective! You all hear - "the new bus was covered in graffiti!" and you think - "those little WW punks, don't appreciate anything, ruin everything" (or at least that's the way it seems to me). Me, since my own kids go there and I know many many kids who go there, I guess I don't automatically assume the worst until I know the full story.

If its true that a brand new school bus was completely destroyed just days after being put into service, I think that is terrible and I hope whoever did it will be punished accordingly.

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I heard it on the internet, it MUST be true! biggrin.gif

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I spoke with my daughter (WW 8th grader) this weekend and she assures me if someone does get their phone out they get it taken away. She only has access to her phone at lunch. On occasion they are allowed to listen to music with earbuds while they work on the computer - usually as a reward for something.

Honestly I hear so many rumors on this site when it comes to WW schools, that I would want to find out about this from the source first. I'm not saying its not true, but I would wonder exactly how "full of graffiti" it actually was. Like people spray painted the entire bus, or like 1 student got out their pen and scribbled on the seat back. I remember that sort of thing happening back in my day. I have been on WW busses on numerous occasions (field trips) and not noticed any graffiti? Anyway, perspective! You all hear - "the new bus was covered in graffiti!" and you think - "those little WW punks, don't appreciate anything, ruin everything" (or at least that's the way it seems to me). Me, since my own kids go there and I know many many kids who go there, I guess I don't automatically assume the worst until I know the full story.

If its true that a brand new school bus was completely destroyed just days after being put into service, I think that is terrible and I hope whoever did it will be punished accordingly.

I spoke to the head of WWCSD transportation, and she said she has not seen or heard anything about any new bus being vandalized.

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I would be surprised if there was any extensive vandalism in the new buses. The new Superintendent and Administration seem to be taking discipline very seriously.

Cicero

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Graffiti on the busses was not present under the previous superintendent. I give credit due for work done, but is there some action to lobby for the current administration to get credit for a problem that was not present before????

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Well I stand corrected and retract all statements about graffiti on the buses. I swear I heard it from a very credible source.

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I keep hearing this (only here on good ole Junedale!) but I have not found an actual Winton Woods student or parent to back this up.

Yes, the music is very much apart of the in class school day. My son didn't need distractions as he had plenty of his own to deal with but the music thumping from ear phones didn't help.

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Yes, the music is very much apart of the in class school day. My son didn't need distractions as he had plenty of his own to deal with but the music thumping from ear phones didn't help.

Yet I have a few friends who are parents of WW high schoolers and their kids report that this is not happening in their child's classes. Must vary by the teachers.

As far as the bus graffiti situation...there is a reason I tend not to believe what I read on here regarding WW schools. Or at least I assume that what I read here is a much exaggerated version of the truth.

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As far as the bus graffiti situation...there is a reason I tend not to believe what I read on here regarding WW schools.  Or at least I assume that what I read here is a much exaggerated version of the truth.

I honestly was not trying to exagerate or distort the truth. Someone who is in a position where they would know about the buses told me that story and I believed it.

Maybe "graffiti" was not the correct term, I think it was "marked up with markers"

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cool.gif I liked the previous HS Principal, but she had one significant flaw which was "white guilt". She screwed up royally with going public in accusing the FAVC of racism, and she lost much of her staff when she relaxed some disciplinary rules after getting pummeled by angry parents whose kids were properly held accountable. The behind the scenes edict to the teachers a couple of years back not to discipline use of the word "Nigga" or the word "f***" due to their being "cultural" - and that did happen - was a mistake. Not enforcing dress code violations with students who might give you attitude but busting those who wouldn't for lesser violations happened often.

Mr. Smith and Mr. Martin can do things that the former HS principal and Supt. had a more challenging time doing. The race card can't be played as easily against them, and they can have more honest exchange with parents. Mr. Smith is impressive.

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Slight correction- new HS principal is Mr Eric Martin- not Mr Thomas who was a former school board member.

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Mr. Martin, the new Winton Woods High School Principal, seems to be really cracking down on discipline and he seems to be consistent in his treatment of students.

It is also true that it is difficult to play the race card against him and he seems to be standing up to parents whose children are causing problems. This makes it easier for all the other students to concentrate on their studies and for the teachers to teach. Over time I feel this will make a difference.

Cicero

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Slight correction- new HS principal is Mr Eric Martin- not Mr Thomas who was a former school board member.

cool.gif Oops. Corrected!

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I recently obtained copies of the mandatory reports the WWCS is supposed to send each year to the Ohio State Board of Education relative to identifying and servicing "Gifted" children in the system.

Ohio Revised Code requires that each system identify and provide assistance to all Children in a District that are identified as "Gifted." The Code also defines what is determined to be Gifted and in what subjects the children are to be identified as Gifted in. It also sets out how the children are to be assisted as well as providing for a "Gifted Intervention Specialist."

A review of the reports for the last 4 years show that the system performance in this area is pathetic. Last year out of about 255 students in the system that have been identified as Gifted, the report shows that only about 6.8% are being assisted.

In my opinion, for a system of our size, we should have more identified as Gifted. I strongly suspect the numbers may be underreported or some Gifted students not properly identified. This is in spite of the fact that many of the better students living in the system may be going to other schools.

In any academic setting, a systems Gifted children are the tip of the academic spear and the proper handling of those children will do much to help raise the academic standards. There is no reason why WWCS should not be producing at least one or two merit scholars a year.

This is just another example where Mediocrity had become the" Norm" in the system. The blame goes to past Administrations, the teachers, and last but not least, the School Board.

We cannot continue to trash our children with an overall substandard education.

The taxpayers are certainly not getting their money's worth and the children are being grossly underserved. It has become a "Lose, Lose" situation.

Cicero

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Saveourschools, It was not my intention to offend anyone. The reality is that many of the better students that live in the District are going to other schools. Even the President of the Board of Education has her child enrolled in Walnut Hills. Others are in Charter Schools and still others are in Parochial Schools.

The fact that many of the better students in the District may be going to other schools does not mean that there are no good students in WW system, it may mean however many are going to other schools because of the general reputation of the WW system.

I have stated previously that it is possible to get a good education in the WW system. The students in the AGS program generally are doing well. Unfortunately the performance is not uniform throughout the system.

The reports made to the State Board of Education are important and mandated by Ohio Law and are Official Reports. There is absolutely NO excuse for not submitting an accurate report to the State. If the reports are not accurate, it shows a lack of respect for the law and a cavalier attitude that is inexcusable. An inaccurate report also reflects badly on the school system. The Primary responsibility for producing the report is on the School Administration. There has been no change in the reporting requirement, it has remained uniform to my knowledge.

If the reports are really inaccurate, that can cause the System to lose money from the State of Ohio since there seems to be a penalty in the law resulting in loss of funds if the reporting requirements are not complied with.

We have just dodged a bullet from the State Auditor for irregularities in our attendance reporting procedures, we do not need more problems because of other bad reporting.

Cicero

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Saveourschools, The Ohio Revised Code dealing with mandatory reports for Gifted Children (R.C. 3324.05) first became effective 9/28/99 and was later amended 7/11/2009 and 6/30/2011.

It is not a new statute and has been effect for over a decade. Whoever told you that it was not required previously was badly misinformed.

The Statute is a matter of public record and you can easily check it on the Internet.

Ignorance of the Law has never been accepted as a valid excuse. The WW school system does have a Lawyer on staff and the responsible person for the report needed only to check with the system's in house lawyer to get advice on the legal requirements of the report. It does not appear that this happened.

Failing to admit a system may have made an error is not wise, if mistakes are never admitted, they are never corrected.

We absolutely do not need any more unwanted attention from the State and there is no use asking for it by submitting faulty reports.

Cicero

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