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Equalizer,

I, for one, think it is shameful that a Winton Woods administrator called your boss (who has nothing to do with Winton Woods) to complain about your posts about Winton Woods on social media.  Seriously?  That's like the behavior of a child - "I'm going to tell your boss on you!"  Besides, hasn't this administrator heard of a little concept called "free speech" on which our country is founded?  Maybe this administrator needs to take one of the American History classes our district offers.

I also think it's shameful that none of the school board members responded to your letter.  That sends the message that the board is condoning this administrator's attempts to intimidate people into silence.  It appears that this administrator called your boss to scare you into shutting up, and also to send a message of intimidation to all current and former employees of the district, that message being "Watch what you say about Winton Woods or you will become a target and we will threaten your livelihood by calling your current employer."  I hope you don't give in to this intimidation and keep posting on Junedale.  As a teacher, you advise your students to not give in to bullies, as it only gives them more power.  Please take that same advice yourself.

While I am usually proud to be part of Winton Woods, at this moment I am embarrassed to be part of a district that operates this way, and I am so sorry that you are being treated like this after ten years of loyal service to the district.  Stay strong, and keep posting.  The district can benefit from what you have to say.

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EQ,

I am sorry this happened.  Again it goes to show that freedom of speech is not FREE.  That is "it is FREE" if you agree with the MOB.  In other words "they" whoever they may be have not accepted that there is the right of dissent, and minority rights.  I for one have not stepped in this year.  Last year during the times of Bonding Together my life was not pleasant and yet I found in my briefcase some information from time to time that was a 100 watts light bulb.

I always appreciated your courtesy, your savoir faire, your sangfroid, and your insights.  You shall be missed.  Again adieu my dear EQ, may our path cross again.

Last I heard, they are trying to get Mr. Morales back.  I hope he does what is the right thing to do for him and for the other teachers.  Sometimes you have to do the RIGHT thing, because if you go with the MOB, at one time you will look to your right and to your left and realize that you are standing alone because everybody else is dead, and you will have no one else to help you or defend you.  It is a question of morality and integrity, but I am afraid that is gone as well...and perhaps people do not really know what is the moral and the right thing to do.

Most sincerely,

The Mad Botanist

 

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Well personally I think that's bull!  99.999999% of the time I disagree with EQ, but he has the right to say what he wants -- and I'll defend his right to say it -- and then I'll post how wrong he is about everything.  How utterly childish, ridiculous and stupid to contact his boss!  I'm embarrassed for whoever did it -- and it's embarrassing for the district -- what total and complete nonsense.  Dumb!!!  You keep posting EQ -- it's your right!

Let me guess -- some liberal who preaches tolerance. 

Oh, BTW EQ welcome to the club!  Just a little snippet -- when you're on the "other" side.  

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Thought about this last night.  Honestly -- who would do something like that!  I can't even begin to place myself in a position where I would even think of infringing on someone else's freedom of speech.  Can this person really look at themselves in the mirror?  I'm just flabbergasted.  I think Jack Nicholson said it best "you can't handle the truth" -- so you use other means.  Total lack of character!

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The thing that concerns me the most is that this administrator is not being brought to task for his behavior.  If, after he acted out of line by calling Equalizer's boss, someone higher up in the district - such as an upper administrator or board member - told him that this behavior did not reflect well on Winton Woods and would not be tolerated again and then reached out to Equalizer to let him know it had been addressed, then I would be OK with that.  Afterall, everyone makes mistakes, and the real test of character and integrity is how those mistakes are handled.  In this case, it appears that this administrator's wrongdoing has been swept under the rug, and the higher-ups are looking the other way.  They seem to be making a conscious decision to ignore Equalizer's letter and the entire situation, rather than addressing it with him directly to solve the problem.  Very disappointing.  Is this an indication of the moral culture (or lack of) in the district as a whole?

 

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The person who contacted his boss has no character -- it's as simple as that.

And they want us to trust them with $110,000,000 in taxpayer money? They can't even do the right thing in a situation that didn't even exist --  "a former employee writes something on a forum that I don't like".  First, I'll turn it into a situation.  Second, I'll do what I can to take away his right to freedom of speech.  Third, I'll contact people who have an impact on his livelihood.  Fourth, let's hope #3 has an impact on #2.  Fifth, I'll pretend like it never happened.

Seriously?

Yep, not one dime -- don't trust anyone in that administration to do the right thing!  We may not be on the same page when it comes to finances, but this truly is disappointing behavior.

  

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As wrong as this is, it unfortunately happens more than you think.  My husband was laid off from his job due to a reduction in force after a company merger had occurred. In his final days with the company he went were ever they told him, and did what ever he asked.  Months later, he found out that a manager was "bad mouthing" him, and he never even worked for the manager.  Another occurrence of lack of morals....My husband filled out an assessment, one of the questions was "If a co-worker turned in his two weeks notice, and mentioned to you that he didn't plan on working the entire two weeks, would you tell your boss."   My husband said no, and guess what he didn't pass the assessment.  They only want people who will have their back, even when they skewed up, that want someone who will act as a mole.  There is no morals in the work force anymore.  Bossess and administrators think they can do what ever they want, because they can just hire someone else. 

 

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Christine,

Just to be clear, I wasn't referring to Equalizer making a mistake - I was referring to the administrator who contacted his boss - that was the mistake I meant.  I could forgive that administrator for his mistake if he took ownership and corrected it - same for the higher-ups who looked the other way.  If they were to say, "We made a mistake and now we will own up to it and fix it", I would take that as a sign of integrity.

 

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I misread it GG -- I made an edit to mine!  Aside from the first sentence -- all else still applies.

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GG,

1.  You mentioned earlier that your questions have gone unanswered.  Welcome to the club.  In August my husband asked, under The Freedom of Information Act, for certain things.  He sent one request to the Superintendent and one to the President of the Board.  Three weeks later he sent again the same request the second time.  No answer.  A third time he personally hand delivered the request to the Superintendent and we are in the third week of October and NO ANSWER.  We started in August.  Needless to add that my husband is beyond perturbed.

2.  EQ is not the first one to experience this kind of lack of respect to be able to express his opinion.  He will not be the last one.

3.  Think of what is that teaching to the students.

4.  Stop and think what has done to us, those who do not want to BOND TOGETHER.  Retaliation, oppression, denying one of the basic rights for which so many have died to defend it, and those who have died trying to experience it.

5.  I leave you with the thought to check again your mailbox and see the next post card sent.

The Mad Botanist

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While I've disagreed many times with EQ, this infuriates me.  What he says about WWCS is his first amendment right. Sounds like a certain administrator needs to retake Civics 101. Doesn't look good for our school district.

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cincygrrl,

If accusations that EQ made are true, the circumstances leading up to his requirement to depart Junedale or some other social media site, then no I don't think it's good form for him to have been "reported".  I guess what led to that is up for debate.

However, let's look at the situation.  Most of us do not require a license to perform our jobs.  Here is an example where some one does have a license with a Code of Conduct:

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A black Cincinnati Police officer who wrote a Facebook post that referenced white officers "looking for a reason to kill a black man" received the lowest form of discipline — counseling.

And the officer, Freddie Vincent, has been moved into a new job in the telephone crime reporting unit, one that means less contact with fellow officers. The discipline is similar to what happened in a handful of other police cases in which an officer was found to have inappropriately posted something on social media.

Discipline was rendered Sept. 8, The Enquirer has learned.

Vincent, documents show, violated the department's social media rules, which prohibits "speech involving themselves or other department personnel reflecting behavior that would reasonably be considered reckless or irresponsible."

Vincent refused to sign the disciplinary form.

The Facebook post, first reported by Fox19-WXIX TV, was made on an unknown date in July after black men were killed by police in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and in a suburb of St. Paul, Minnesota.

Were any of us upset at this officer's suggestion?  I was, and apparently Fox19 took note.

I'm not trying to equate this particular situation to anything EQ might have said in the past, agreeable or disagree.  As I don't "Facebook", I can't comment on what he might have said there, other than his real name is there and not EQ.   But what was mentioned in his post was the Ohio Code of Professional Conduct for Educators. As a matter of his teaching license, just as this police officer has training, license, and a code of conduct, here is that:

Licensure Code of Conduct of Professional Conduct for Ohio Educators    

On March 11, 2008, the State Board of Education adopted the Licensure Code of Professional Conduct for Ohio Educators (LCPCOE). ODE collaborated with the Educator Standards Board (ESB) to create the Code that was mandated in House Bill 190.

Click  for the PDF below for the Licensure Code of Professional Conduct

http://www.pepcleve.org/documents/conduct.pdf

If you go down to (g) on the 3rd page of this document, you can see what  probably generated the issue.  The fact that employers, and prospective employers, are more and more checking social media is not unknown.  It's his job, his profession, and I imagine this point was covered quite a bit in any Professional Development sessions.

I am sorry that Equalizer has been required to resign from posting on Junedale.  He's a good guy and a great teacher.

 

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Warrior I read it and it's nonsense.  Here's what happened -- everyone was fine when EQ was posting glowing reviews on the school, whether they were true or not true -- once he started to speak the "truth", or contradicted what administration was saying -- they didn't like it -- so the did the next best thing and that was to silence him!!!  So, post all the PDF's you want, give your examples and try to make sense of it -- the fact remains --  the WWCSD just showed their true colors -- and it's an ugly color!

EQ -- sorry this happened to you.  Like I said before we never agreed much, but the love you have for these kids and this district was evident over the past few years.  So -- here's how they repay you?  Forget the WWCSD, focus on wherever you are and take care of your family.  I still don't know who you are -- and frankly neither should anyone else (it's a forum for goodness sakes -- and if they do know who you are -- it should not be used against you) but if our paths do cross -- please feel free to introduce yourself.  Take Care!!!

And while I'm at it - do we really want to entrust these people with $110,000,000!!!!!!!!!!  If you're on the fence -- think twice.  I think it's pretty clear -- they certainly won't have your/our back(s)!

 

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Eq has 1400+ posts, was he ever called on the carpet before his leaving the district? Paula can answer as to what was deemed inappropriate, I think the 'deemed' inappropriate exchange was between Paula and Eq.. Do you think she will WWWarrior? 

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WWWarrior, the code you referenced said, "Using technology to intentionally host or post improper or inappropriate material that could reasonably be accessed by the school community."  Equalizer has never been less than a gentleman, so don't make it out like he was posting "inappropriate" material like he's some deviant or something.

What got him in trouble was congratulating a Winton Woods graduate for having the courage to speak his mind, even though the student was disagreeing with the administration.  Equalizer did not say anything negative himself about the administration - he simply told a graduate he was proud of him for speaking his mind. 

So WWWarrior, is it considered "inappropriate" for former teachers to encourage their former students to exercise their freedom of speech?  Doesn't stifling free speech run completely contrary to the tenets of project-based learning and New Tech?

There is no way you can dress this up to be anything other than intimidation.  And the longer the district drags it out without fixing it (by apologizing and taking steps to see that it never happens again), the bigger it will become. 

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GG,

I see the avalanche coming down any minute now.  Run for cover, because we will be next to be told that Freedom of Speech does not cover any one who speaks against the WWCSD. 

You know it best when you told me that you were not going to say a few things because you were concern how this would impact your kids. 

The Mad Botanist

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If accusations that EQ made are true, the circumstances leading up to his requirement to depart Junedale or some other social media site, then no I don't think it's good form for him to have been "reported" by anyone

I am sorry that Equalizer has been required to resign from posting on Junedale.  He's a good guy and a great teacher.

 

I just looked at my own company's IT policy, which I had to sign and return to the company.  Anyone else have a similar situation?  If anyone thinks that it is a good idea to express strong opinions (which he did pretty openly) about previous or current employers on social media, then you're fooling yourself.  Freedom of Speech is one thing, but can it have consequences?

Absolutely.  And I'm not saying it's right that there are consequences, just that there can be.

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  • CONTENT COUNT

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Why now? He joined in 2007.

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I really hate to see you go Equalizer as I have always enjoyed your input here on Junedale.com.  I never did figure out your real identity so I find it hard to imagine that your employer or whoever has.  Deny, Deny, Deny is the best approach when asked about Junedale!  :-)

Anyways, thanks for all your contributions and feel free to sigh on with a new identity.  PM me if you need any help with that.

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Say it ain't so!  I get solitary lockup for a few months and when I finally get out I see that one of my favorite users is leaving us.  Dude that hurts me more then my last bum smuggle did!  :wacko::unsure:

As Uncle said, feel free to join as a new user.  I like the user-name "Not-Equalizer"  :P

 

HEY UNCLE!  nice to see you resurface again.  Would you PLEASE put some money on my commissary card?  Now that I am back in gen pop I am craving some Ramen noodles.

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EQ,

I am still surprised that the identities were disclosed.  As I understood we all had a nom de plume, and respected as such.  Now it seems for the last year and a half that the Board Members and the School administration know who all the dissenters are and there has been direct attack as such.  Also on a Board meeting actually a person was address as such name from Junedale by a member of the Board.  So, my question is, why a Board Member had those names for the particular person or persons who are asking for changes in Winton Woods? Is some one from the Junedale.com kingdom holding the actual names let the rabbit out of the hat, or do we have our own Wiki Leaks?  I do have my own suspicions if I were to bet....and I only bet on sure things.

Again I shall miss you!

The Mad Botanist

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Licensure Code of Conduct of Professional Conduct for Ohio Educators    

On March 11, 2008, the State Board of Education adopted the Licensure Code of Professional Conduct for Ohio Educators (LCPCOE). ODE collaborated with the Educator Standards Board (ESB) to create the Code that was mandated in House Bill 190.

Click  for the PDF below for the Licensure Code of Professional Conduct

http://www.pepcleve.org/documents/conduct.pdf

If you go down to (g) on the 3rd page of this document, you can see what  probably generated the issue.  The fact that employers, and prospective employers, are more and more checking social media is not unknown.  It's his job, his profession, and I imagine this point was covered quite a bit in any Professional Development sessions.

 

Of course I know people work under contracts, especially teachers. That is written to pertain to his current employer. Sounds like someone was loose with their interpretation when they called his employer. He wasn't bad mouthing his current district. Someone just wanted to shut him up,period. Sad.

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  • CONTENT COUNT

    1438
  • JOINED

    23 Sep 2007
  • LAST VISITED

    Monday at 9:38 PM

Why now? He joined in 2007.

Exactly. Why now?

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If anyone thinks that it is a good idea to express strong opinions (which he did pretty openly) about previous or current employers on social media, then you're fooling yourself.

Strong opinions?  These were strong opinions?  WWW, you always try to make sense out of "stupid".  I don't get it.

He had strong opinions when he defended the school.  He had strong opinions when he defended the students.  He had strong opinions when he defended administration.  He had strong opinions when he defended the board.  He had very strong opinions for several years.  He fought for the schools, the district, the students, administration and the board continuously on this forum -- even when it didn't make sense.  Obviously, he fought -- even when he didn't believe it was totally true or accurate.  That's when he had strong opinions!

I agree with CincyGirl and all the other people on this forum -- you threw him under the bus!!!  All of you spoke his praises, all of you thanked him for his dedication and the minute he said something that wasn't to your liking -- you threw him under the bus!!!

Who are you people??????  :ph34r:

 

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